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» SimonMelville - Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem?

In response to Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem? posted by Moolay:

I think we know what their problem is -- perceived persecution at the hands of the English.

I wouldn't expect any Scottish people to support England. I'm not surprised by their hatred. It is rather petty.

C'mon people -- why can't we all just love each other?

I'm glad England are big enough to take it on the chin. Apart from when it comes to the Germans. And the French. And the Irish. And everyone else.

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» Moolay - Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem?

It's no longer about the persecution. No sane young Scot can genuinely be angry about the treatment of the Scots by the English a hundred or so years ago. Anyway, without subsidies from England they'd all be living in slums these days anyway.

I can not condone how the English continue to attack Germany for it's war-hungry past. We can't blame today's Germans for their country's despicable past. Just like we can't blame all of France for the behaviour of it's leaders towards England.

-- posted by Moolay

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» Moolay - Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem?

"Scots who want England to crash ouot of the World Cup suffer low self-esteem, an expert has claimed.
"Dr Alex Yellowlees blamed the deep-rooted inferiority complex on [the Scottish] ingrained tribal culture.
The Glasgow Priory Hospital cheif said: "They bolster their low self-esteem the only way they can, by talking big and shouting across the border.
"It's a cover-up for Scots who don't feel so good about themselves.
"They harbour a sense of inferiority - and the only way they can cope is to act with a sense of bravado."

Sounds about right to me.

-- posted by Moolay

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» JCofBH - Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem?

In response to Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem? posted by Moolay:

I have absolutely no problem with the Scots not supporting England.

Yes, we are part of the same political union, Britain, and a lot of sports are played under a British flag. Football isn't, it's played according to the 4 home nations, so why should they necessarily jump on our bandwagon? They're not English.

Yes, we tend to support them when the roles are reversed, and even the Republic, but we do that as the dominant nation within the UK. As such we are more at ease sharing our support, since we do not see it as jeopardising our own identities or political position.

It's not quite the same for the other nations, and the Scottish in particular. Sport and football are opportunities for national self-expression, something that the residents of these countries have traditionally felt they've been denied within the UK political framework. I know in recent years the political context has changed somewhat, but football remains a key vehicle for asserting their national identity.

Even if you remove the political sub-text, it can also be seen as just a plain local rivalry between one small club with 6 million supporters versus the moneybags big-spenders across the way with 50 million people behind them. What's wrong with the minnows wanting the big sides to come crashing off their pedestal?

There are some Scots, Welsh and Irish who genuinely have a colonial chip on their shoulder and for that reason would likely not cross the road for an Englishman, let alone support the national side. For the most part, though, I think it's just a harmless neighbourhood rivalry that is, yes, based on history and politics, but is ultimately just a chance for folk to affirm their distinct nationalities.

By all means don't back Murray when he's playing under the saltire, he'd not expect it, but notwithstanding the fact he's representing Britain we should respect his right to distinguish his particular national allegiance when it comes to football.

-- posted by JCofBH

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» SimonMelville - Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem?

In response to Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem? posted by JCofBH:

Stop being so reasonable McCollier.

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» Moolay - Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem?

In response to Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem? posted by JCofBH:

I have no problem with Murray not supporting England. I have a problem with him, and a large portion of the Scottish nation supporting our opponants out of spite.

You should read the papers up here in Aberdeen at the moment - many containing thinly-veiled references to the hope that England will do badly. Would the English papers be doing that if it were Scotland at the WC? i would bet not..

and the Scottish bloke who lives adjacent to the house I'm staying in has openly told us he will be cheering the Paraguayans like mad tomorrow, and if we loose he will cheering and jeering over the fence at us. And he's not joking, this is serious business to him.

Seriously, if I were living up here I would have grown to HATE the Scottish by now, purely because of their hatred towards us. There's just no need for it IMO. Get over it Scotland.

-- posted by Moolay

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» Moolay - Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem?

In response to Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem? posted by SimonMelville:

...if only the Scots were as reasonable as our southern friend here.

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» dantilles - Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem?

If anyone is interested in this topic I've just blogged on Scots who have been beating up English football fans during the tournament and started a discussion in British Affairs.

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» Tiny48 - Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem?

In response to Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem? posted by JCofBH:
I would like to write about how with history we always think it is in a book or we know our country or have learn about it in school, when we say the history, it is just the history, our country or other countries want to tell us, they choose what is best for us to know about, but if we were to hear or open our eyes to see what our real history is, we would be disgusted. That is one of the reason we as a movement write the history of the poor, with the poor as no one else or very few does, or they write what they again want us to know about the poor and their situation and how it came about them being there.
A local newsmagazine for the city of Glasgow in Scotland. It's known for reporting what most other newspapers don't and also for naming and shaming criminals of the Glasgow area. Because of this he is not allowed access to the courts or public papers! How can one tell the true history of what has happened or is happening?
There are many people who think that it is just joking between Scotland and England but it is not, it is deep. It is like the history of the country, we will talk about the war, but not of torturing people during it, I need to know that of my country, I know I am not to blame but it is good I know the real history, and I am not proud of my country for that. Also the country that we tortured know I know and that I am sad about that history.
There is the history, which is silenced. There is also the history which is written in a way that it is covered up, for, example Scotland , Glasgow is known for building boats, England took that with from us, but it is put down as business, the majority of the money made in Scotland does not stay there, it goes to England. England oppresses us as it is in their favour to keep us like that. Parliament a lot of people say you have your own parliament, again this is just a shell, as when it comes down to us taking discussion, that has to go through England. There are people who complain as we get to vote in English laws, but most of them are put upon us. For example we have our own social service way of working which is in favour of the families, we are put upon to change to the English way of doing. Also our education is much better, but again there is things put upon us to change our way of working.
As for Murray, whats the big up roar for wearing a scotland band, you are just as bad if you start playing tick tack with the insults, respect him for being a good tennis player. You should know the history before commenting, and the sad thing is it contiues today so it is not just years ago

-- posted by Tiny48

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» PeteyRawks - Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem?

In response to Scotland, Wales et al: What's your problem? posted by Moolay:

You know not all Scottish people are like that.. Some are actually civilised. Now take it from an actual Scotsman. It's all down to nationalism. Hatred towards the English is partially down to the fact that the majority of Scotland want independance and feel that the English have them in a choke-hold. Of course this isn't completely true. As for the football incident with wanting you to loose... that's because you'd never shut up about it for another few decades. i'm sure Brazil don't bring it up that they have won a large ammount of times in n early all football related topics (I'm basing this on conversations with English people i have had, this doesn't exactly mean it's true though) Now England and Scotland will ALWAYS deteste each other and if you think for one second that England doesn't contribute to the racial conflict problem then you're wrong. However, i do believe that England/Scotland/Wales and N.Ireland should be split up. Give them the independance and if it all Fu*ks up we can blame ourselves and not continue to moan and whine that England has us in a headlock and so on and so forth. Please don't take offence as none is meant of it. Feel free to e-mail me as i doubt i'll ever check this. Rear-Access-Denied@hotmail.co.uk
Thanks Petey,

-- posted by PeteyRawks

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